Which Marble Track Is Best?

22. feb.. 2021
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  • 8:20 -> me at 10:30 p.m. still doing homework and watching this

    HiPeopleIDKwhatIsGoingOnHiPeopleIDKwhatIsGoingOn20 timer siden
  • Answer: none of the above

    Dan PinderDan PinderDag siden
  • He said hi to everyone so i just wanna say HELLO.

    sehhi vootysehhi vootyDag siden
  • watching this and knowing its not going to be used at all.... :)

    Martin WeberMartin Weber2 dager siden
  • And then Martin invented the clock again and then this video became pointless

    MadMan 39 SWEMadMan 39 SWE2 dager siden
    • @sehhi vooty But this looks WAY cooler

      MadMan 39 SWEMadMan 39 SWEDag siden
    • installed in the MMX surely the overall vibration of the MMX would provide the required jog and prevent them getting stuck in the first place? Just a thought :-)

      sehhi vootysehhi vootyDag siden
  • why not make the plywood one as close as you can get to original then put plastic plating or any other nonstick material on the inside of the gate

    me epicme epic2 dager siden
  • What site was he using at 7:43 ?

    SomeSticksSomeSticks2 dager siden
  • So if some of the gates tilting backward is causing a problem it sounds like them not being vertical is a problem unless it is 100% required.

    nieooj gotoynieooj gotoy3 dager siden
  • maybe)?

    miko foinmiko foin3 dager siden
  • Esta muy jodido ....ouuuhhh yeaaaahhhh

    nohionenohione4 dager siden
  • This is difficult to watch. Too much nonsense.

    Welcome To NevaadWelcome To Nevaad4 dager siden
    • we love it

      miko foinmiko foin3 dager siden
  • Your test is very different compared to your actual 3D implementation. Friction for sticking depends on the force (grams in your units) and surface area. Your "2D" test designs have smaller contact area than your 3D designs which have contoured profiles which grip with the same force but increased contact area, hence more likely to get stuck. Good luck.

    Jon PrevostJon Prevost4 dager siden
    • I'm still mad at you that it took me almost one month to accidentally find the second channel

      nieooj gotoynieooj gotoy2 dager siden
  • "I have a small scale here[...]" for small scale experiments? bdum-tsss

    hoiy vinosahoiy vinosa4 dager siden
  • It is not Marbe Machine X anymore, It is Meme Machine X now! ;D

    Жора KadrЖора Kadr5 dager siden
  • All we have is time, you’re having fun and learning lot’s, your dream is awesome enjoy the journey. You feed Wilson through the nose...😳

    vern evern e5 dager siden
  • So if some of the gates tilting backward is causing a problem it sounds like them not being vertical is a problem unless it is 100% required.

    seiom jvonyseiom jvony5 dager siden
    • put them there to Level the machine to a level "standard" before each performance. One Design! One Angle!

      hoiy vinosahoiy vinosa4 dager siden
  • New pressure design for marble machine, new haircut for Martin 😁

    Larissa AmurovLarissa Amurov5 dager siden
  • Nice. He could have had this z-solution in November 2020. The priciple was posted 8th November last year by Jens#6124 on the Wintergatan Discord channel into the mmx community section.

    Tres SalchichasTres Salchichas6 dager siden
  • Have you tried (or do you have space for) a spiral track?

    MedEightyMedEighty6 dager siden
    • Use some grqphite

      seiom jvonyseiom jvony5 dager siden
  • 9:14

    Aaron AlquizaAaron Alquiza6 dager siden
  • You have been testing the gates out of MMX context, ie on the bench. Stuck marbles seem to free themselves with the smallest jog, in one instance a very light tap. When installed in the MMX surely the overall vibration of the MMX would provide the required jog and prevent them getting stuck in the first place? Just a thought :-)

    Richard Paul-JonesRichard Paul-Jones6 dager siden
  • Someday, when I am old and gray, I will say: "I was there when Martin started the Marble Machine X". It still won't be finished but that's not really the goal anymore; it's now about ingenuity and experientation.

    Ever EnigmaticEver Enigmatic6 dager siden
  • I think the 'slow descent into madness' subplot is what I really enjoy the most about your show.

    bilishu alissbilishu aliss6 dager siden
  • This NOworld journey for me is so enjoyable - part of me asks, "Does this have to be finished?". Looking forward to completion, but will surely miss the journey that got us there.

    Scoopy PigeonScoopy Pigeon6 dager siden
    • Sir, I salute your engineering skills, bravo!

      bilishu alissbilishu aliss6 dager siden
  • The problem is gonna be that eventually the hard steel bearings will cause indents into the much softer wood, which leads to the decrease in output force of the marbles , but also causes them to jam much more often.

    Gabriel KrivianGabriel Krivian7 dager siden
  • I'm still mad at you that it took me almost one month to accidentally find the second channel

    SuppenfischeintopfSuppenfischeintopf7 dager siden
  • Martin: Weekly videos is too much! I need to do fewer videos Martin 2 months later: DAILY VIDEOS IS PRETTY DOPE

    Andrew BAndrew B7 dager siden
  • Why not attach cam behind the track that will shake the marbles loose if they get stuck?

    Lord SandwichLord Sandwich7 dager siden
  • Have you also considered trying different materials? I think aluminum or some sort of plastic have different friction coefficients to plywood and might also have a significantly influence to the marble flow... Especially for the last question mark design with nylon or similar you might have other results...

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  • And what about dust or other garbage in marble pressure gates?

    Руслан ГрызуновРуслан Грызунов7 dager siden
  • One Design! One Angle! Chant it from the roof top people! ! You keep saying you want One gate and track that is the same across the the whole machine. That way you don't have to make a custom one for each track. One gate would be great. One design leave you with only needing a few spares around on hand for a tour. But ... some of the gates leans back at an angle. There is your Mole you designed in. Keep all gate the same angle, just direct the marbles using the wire tracks to hit the mark.. One Design! One Angle! Chant it from the roof top people! ! Ps. You put levelers on the machine. Do you plan to set the Machine at a 30 degree backwards angle one day and 22.5 forward the next day, No you put them there to Level the machine to a level "standard" before each performance. One Design! One Angle!

    Junkboy888Junkboy8887 dager siden
  • чëткий вариант! круто. жду новых видосов.

    An IvAn Iv7 dager siden
  • what you wshould be mesuring is the amount of pressure per ball added

    cheese tastycheese tasty7 dager siden
  • Use some grqphite

    Charlie HaugCharlie Haug7 dager siden
  • What if you introduce some kind of vibration or oscillation on purpose, to overcome the issue with the marbles getting stuck? just to prevent them sticking nad maintain minimal amount of kinetic energy at all times

    Artur KłonieckiArtur Kłoniecki7 dager siden
  • 9:16 --> nerve break down

    Simon JöhrSimon Jöhr7 dager siden
  • PMA hodler? Are you into cryptocurrency, Martin? (I am...)

    NemozoliNemozoli7 dager siden
  • You sound swedish. Or norsk (I either don't know or don't remember what "norsk" is in english, but if I'm even close to right, you know what I mean). edit: The name of your channel further proves my theory.

    Illogical ThinkingIllogical Thinking7 dager siden
  • Did you just say. "Beta Test"

    BetaTester704BetaTester7047 dager siden
  • "Marbles are evil, lets do 30" lolol

    Justin M.Justin M.7 dager siden
  • Sir, I salute your engineering skills, bravo!

    Diego MartinezDiego Martinez7 dager siden
  • great work. Resist the urge to over-optimize. Go with #4--less than 100g of weight to resist, and doesn't get stuck.

    Brandon HicksBrandon Hicks7 dager siden
  • I have an idea ! Tu veux utiliser des lames ressort (+ feutre ?) pour ralentir les billes, réglable par vis. D'une manière générale, une buté mobile. Plus une bille arrive vite sur la lame, plus sont énergie sera absorbé, donc ça devrait, aussi, réguler la vitesse.

    aerisaeris7 dager siden
  • @wintergatan you have dragged on this for too long. Tried many solutions and they all have the same issue: marbles getting stuck under pressure. Have you considered adding vibration to the marble gate system? The marbles usually get going by a slight nudge from another marble. You can probably try putting some sort of mechanical vibrator that can be powered with the machine drive train or even some sort of hammer that strikes each channel when the marble gate closes. I worked at a pharmaceutical plant where they had a similar issue feeding small tablets into a container using a queue not unlike the marble channels in the MMX. The solution was to add a small and simple pneumatic hammer that was in sync with the machine feeding cycle. Each time the machine fed tablets to the container, the hammer stroke several times in quick succession to make sure that tablets did not get stuck. That solution would not work in the MMX due to noise concerns but the idea is the same, use vibration. This would also work for the pickup section of the fish stair. Hope this helps.

    Luis RLuis R7 dager siden
  • noworld.info/video/video/1WTchrSmuM3LqtU.html

    Alguém por aíAlguém por aí8 dager siden
  • Random question, could you have a "shaker"? something that repetitively hits or moves the channels? Either a bar that taps the back of the channel or shifts it to cause some vibration.

    The Man With No NameThe Man With No Name8 dager siden
  • O long time no see

    HZStudioHZStudio8 dager siden
  • MARIO!!

    Landen HoefsLanden Hoefs8 dager siden
  • ever thought of a graphite lubricator mecnanism that continually applies graphite as a dry lube to the marbles???

    robert kennionrobert kennion8 dager siden
  • If there is some sort of solidworks for these designs, that would be great for testing before CNBC.

    Pedro PereiraPedro Pereira8 dager siden
  • Don’t worry about it taking so long. I believe many of us are makers at heart and love to learn with you. Of course I want to see the final machine one day but that would mean the journey would kind of be over. Sad day 🤣 While we‘re at it, I am so so so impressed how your skills and personality have evolved over the course of that project. Oh, and can you make some music on the machine for us?

    Michel FeldheimMichel Feldheim8 dager siden
  • I have just had this idea... Maybe it can help. When being played, the MMX constantly vibrates and moves around. Whenever a marble gets stuck in these gates it really doesn't need much to make it fall through. So maybe, and that is a big maybe, you don't really have to care about them being stuck just a little and while they are built into the machine everything runs smoothly. So I think you should do a test with the gates built into the machine. If you are lucky none in a couple thousand will get stuck...

    Orlando B00mOrlando B00m8 dager siden
  • You didn't tilt the two question-mark-paths. If you tilt them in the way you mount them on the machine, the marbles will actually have to go *upwards* which will get them always stuck, if the marble lane feeding it is running dry!

    Martin WMartin W8 dager siden
  • don't dent or mar as easily. Wood will need some finishing done to deal with the same conditions.

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  • 9:14 Gunde Svan plays Mario?

    swerasnymswerasnym8 dager siden
  • I believe tin the ?! The vertical path on the right should not be completely vertical. The marbles gets stuck when the center of the bottom rightmost marble, is pushed further right, than the center of the top rightmost marble. If the path forces the bottom rightmost marble's center to always be further left, than the top one, then it should never get stuck (as long as the width of the track doesn't allow for a similar problem. But try to add a small wedge for the bottom marble, forcing it a little bit further left.

    Martin FyhnMartin Fyhn8 dager siden
  • just and idea. why do you need the zig zag vertical. culd it not just aswell be horizontal. that way the slope would be the same but the pressure bleedof wuld still work. and you could make all the gates in one piece of playwood. seams like it would work

    KanonOCKanonOC8 dager siden
    • 14:05 "Wilson, food time!" was the most adorable thing I've seen this week!

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  • marbles are evil

    Ramón CorreaRamón Correa8 dager siden
  • Hi Martin, can we that don’t have engineering experience help in any kind of way? (except being member of the channel of course)

    Oskar DampcOskar Dampc8 dager siden
  • You need lateral force, and force ball rotation, also consider changing wood type for more friction. The you need a Peogressive zig zag design thats get closed in a logarithmic way.

    juap!juap!8 dager siden
  • Have you tried making the wooden surface smoother? Reducing friction should work.

    See SharpSee Sharp8 dager siden
  • Why dont u use another material with less friction than wood, cause this is the main reason they get stuck

    Reinhard EderReinhard Eder8 dager siden
  • Marbles = Evil --- > Evil Machine X ?

    misterbalrogmisterbalrog8 dager siden
  • I found you because of the second channel. Thankful for it!

    Russell HopkinsRussell Hopkins8 dager siden
  • I have a question, why didnt you tried to angle the other designs beside the first one

    Gabriele SerraGabriele Serra8 dager siden
  • Discordians are the followers of the Principia Discordia, not users of Discord!

    Archie HalliwellArchie Halliwell8 dager siden
  • cool, but why is this on my recomended?

    ApiApi8 dager siden
  • I was wondering where the daily updates went! I wasn't subscribed here. Life is good!

    Wizard VegaWizard Vega8 dager siden
  • PMMA Hodler? Are you trying to tell us something? ;-)

    Anthony HAnthony H8 dager siden
  • still waiting for that monster stand up and eat you....

    aldo baldo b8 dager siden
  • po, de boa, ja virou um negocio muito lucrativo rpa ele isso. toda a hora ele "cria" alguma coisa e atrasa mais ainda ....está me cheirando marmelada

    David Lima gamesDavid Lima games8 dager siden
  • 14:05 "Wilson, food time!" was the most adorable thing I've seen this week!

    BentroenBentroen8 dager siden
  • "Marbles are evil." -"Marble-Machine" Martin, 2021

    Alpinwolf5Alpinwolf58 dager siden
  • You know Martin, if you're willing to use math, you can calculate the exact amount of pressure in a very satisfying and not overly-complicated way. Then you can call yourself an engineer with no reservation.

    ArcKArcK8 dager siden
  • New haircut :)

    ChaomaticChaomatic8 dager siden
  • Martin, the vertical exit, though pleasing to look at, might provide too much of a pressure drop at the very end. The pressure has to go somewhere and I think it’s amplifying the friction against the 90 degree wall, even worse when the gate is angled. There might be a sweet spot, less than vertical, where the pressure is being reduced, but not enough to cause the friction to overcome gravity. If, of course, we still believe in physics. 🙂 Love this content!

    Larison JohnsonLarison Johnson9 dager siden
  • why dont you place magnets around the edge of your test table so they dont keep rolling on the floor?

    James DanielsJames Daniels9 dager siden
  • You seem very happy ^-^

    Lennart KrügerLennart Krüger9 dager siden
  • You also have to take into consideration the amount of vibration going through the gates during use, and how much vibration it takes to unstick the ball bearings. I'm fairly certain the machien will be vibrating enough to prevent them from sticking during operation. Part of the sticking is probably also related to the the compressibility and friction of the wood, where the ball bearings are pressing and sticking into the end grain of the wood. If you can get a block of HDPE, try making a sample gate out of it, instead of plywood. You could also try coating the bearing path with some kind of lubricant like a spray-on lithium grease or silicon grease/oil

    Ian AdamsIan Adams9 dager siden
  • on part 5, change the angle where it get stuck. Friction on the wood is to big

    M. JeanneM. Jeanne9 dager siden
  • Have you ever tried with a material with less friction?

    Michael RodinMichael Rodin9 dager siden
  • couldnt you do the marble channel in a different material?

    Michael WilkinsonMichael Wilkinson9 dager siden
  • 9:13 are you okay?

    EckoesEckoes9 dager siden
  • How about a double spiral channels?

    Kamil KulińskiKamil Kuliński9 dager siden
  • Where did his hair go

    Oliver WesleyOliver Wesley9 dager siden
  • seems like the reason the question mark is getting stuck is the static friction between the wood and marble, since the pressure from above is high enough to make the marble stick. If friction is the issue, some graphite lubrication might solve the problem nicely. another potential solution would be to make this part out of clear acrylic (like the conveyor belt) which at a glance seems like it would have a lower coefficient of static friction with the marbles than wood, and offers some aesthetic appeal

    Geoff NGeoff N9 dager siden
  • HAHAHA xD I love your humor! The Mario reference was AMAZING!

    CikayCikay9 dager siden
  • I love your song star machine 2000

    de a-animatorde a-animator9 dager siden
  • I can't wait for the new machine to be finished!

    SkeletorSkeletor9 dager siden
  • 9:14 looks like... he lost his... marbles

    LiLENZO 101LiLENZO 1019 dager siden
  • happen in normal operation. You need to measure successive falls of the marbles ... and you might need a sideways escape in your testing to enable this.

    kolim jonekolim jone9 dager siden
  • I love the new format 😍

    Elias RadauerElias Radauer9 dager siden
  • im finally able to watch this video now that ive binged everything from winergatan 2

    Andrew HawrylukAndrew Hawryluk9 dager siden
    • 4:16 I see you are a fellow investor...

      kolim jonekolim jone9 dager siden
  • If you increase the first bend of the question mark one with the radius of the marble it might eliminate the marbles getting stuck! Because it seems the two marbles fit fairly perfectly in that turn! I think that the marble that gets stuck finds enough surface area to get stuck on in the second turn with the additional pressure of the second marble which find enough surface area against the back wall with the pressure from the weight of the remaining marbles, causing that first marble to get stuck in the first place. I think that if there was more area between those two turns then they wouldn't get stuck as easily.

    Lòriethalion Isilgor MithredelLòriethalion Isilgor Mithredel9 dager siden
  • I was wondering where the daily video was from the second channel :P

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  • Perhaps the lack of pressure is what causes it to get stuck

    HmmmmmLemmeThinkNoHmmmmmLemmeThinkNo9 dager siden
  • Angled table seems too realistic, what about a table with a bunch of marble size holes that empty to a funnel that pumps marbles into a container nearby?

    Samuel SkalaSamuel Skala9 dager siden
  • me: "you can't convince me. the best youtube moment is--*" martin: ****9:14****

    idan shemeshidan shemesh9 dager siden
  • The haircut looks great! :D

    HmmmmmLemmeThinkNoHmmmmmLemmeThinkNo9 dager siden
  • 5:45 Now you make it like this: |_ |_ |_ |_ what about this: / \ / \ the right angles are for me not that simple. But with the second version you will even by mounting it 20° rotated not have a hill in that the marbels have to climb if the bottom side as in your design is near horizontal it can easy be tilted back so the marbles (with nearly no pressure) have to climb.

    TechnikchaotTechnikchaot9 dager siden