Rebuild? Why? - Marble Machine X #142

15. okt.. 2020
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A lot of REAL progress this week! I thought it was high time that i tried to give you all some context on why i am doing this major redesign that i am working on right now. Im presenting one theory that might explain the motivation behind the decision to do this redesign. Perhaps the Marble Machine X itself is the Local Maximum, in that case, the current process will lead me to that discovery and i will take another u-turn to find the path to the world tour. Probably i will take the advice that has been given to me so many times during the past years: "Why dont you just play guitar?"
:) Hope you all are are having a great day and enjoy everyone! ;) / Martin

Rebuild? Why? - Marble Machine X #142
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Kommentarer
  • Ooof that was a brutal angle grinder. Hang in there Martin, regardless of what happens we support you.

    DoodleChaosDoodleChaos14 dager siden
    • You’re just dragging it out for the $27,000 patreon bucks every month.

      SIDSID4 dager siden
    • @Wintergatan YASSSSSSSS

      TheChipmunk2008TheChipmunk20089 dager siden
    • Redesign?????? am gonna stop watching i sad a million times Martin has a problem ... i wasted like 3 years following this project ........we all know martin he is perfectionist ,but every thing has its limit.. and i think he is doing this because the channel was not for building the marble machine , so he is scraping the barrel , soo it was fun while it lasted .... bye bye

      JoRasEyezJoRasEyez9 dager siden
    • @Wintergatan Hi Martin, You're now reaching epic levels of failure rates with the grinder! ;-) People in the comments below are talking about 6 Sigma standards. I'd also mention that you've reached the stratosphere-- you're now talking about aeronautical design levels of failure. See also ideas about "redundancy" in design and "fault tolerance." Airplane safety statistics might also be helpful to get a grasp of how to pinpoint design durability and weakness. Keep striving for excellence!

      numfortably_combednumfortably_combed10 dager siden
    • If you had to approach a completely different, but equally complex machine build project in the future, knowing what you have learned along the way, what would you do differently? Seems to me that you might invest more time testing single prototypes of a sub-mechanism before iterating them across the machine itself - that is, for example, build one marble dropper, and test it with a million marble drops. Then you're only fixing one thing, rather than fixing 20 of the same thing, only to find that the fix isn't sufficient. I'm not saying I would do better myself (in fact I know I wouldn't - I simply lack the patience for this scale and complexity of engineering), and it's also less exciting and less fulfilling to be just testing components, instead of seeing the machine emerge of course. Hope this doesn't come across as critique - I'm actually just interested to know how your methodologies have changed across the course of the project.

      Atomic ShrimpAtomic Shrimp12 dager siden
  • Meanwhile I can't even make a model steam engine :D

    Kami samaKami sama10 timer siden
  • ohhh.. my little hearts :')

    Dimas Galeng JatigiriDimas Galeng Jatigiri10 timer siden
  • yes of course, it is the same as a marriage....

    JOE 90JOE 9010 timer siden
  • Seems to me that you could have sold even the flawed original version for, say, $50k, and started over from scratch. Regardless of economics, it might have been less emotionally painful than hacking up the machine (I couldn't have done it!).

    Tom BurkeTom Burke12 timer siden
  • How much money & time spent thus far . Great work 👍

    T11T1113 timer siden
  • Saw the bunnies!!, did you see the chimp at 12:20 ?

    déjà vudéjà vu13 timer siden
  • why?

    Wall RiderWall RiderDag siden
  • I believe

    Hairy McClairyHairy McClairyDag siden
  • -No Martin! let the MMX go! -Ha ha angle grinder go brrrr

    Nnn NnnNnn NnnDag siden
  • this is amazing

    Clemens MixClemens MixDag siden
  • It’s starting to feel like a treadmill of progress. Seems like you were close to finishing the thing for a while but new designs keep interrupting. I’m starting to wonder if the world tour will ever happen....

    gopernoper's trainsgopernoper's trainsDag siden
  • I enjoy your enthusiasm but the fundamental idea driving the rebuild seems flawed so probably yield unsatisfactory results. It would be far easier to make a way for jammed stuck marbles to be removed quick and easy / so the machine can still function

    NNDag siden
  • I have the same earprotectors. :)

    Henrik PetterssonHenrik PetterssonDag siden
  • Take a shot everytime he says locktight

    Bltck123Bltck123Dag siden
  • Don’t ever give up on your dreams!!

    Natalie OlsenNatalie OlsenDag siden
  • I'm sorry what generation am I in again?

    SquiddyCowSquiddyCowDag siden
  • Do you try soap to reduce friction ?

    Le chimisteLe chimisteDag siden
  • I always use grafite powder when my bikelock isn't going smooth anymore. ;) Wonderlube!

    SixteenFtPaulySixteenFtPaulyDag siden
  • что? он почти доделал? мы вот-вот сможем услышать и увидеть? ну-да, ну-да... а давайте все переделаем заново :(

    666fedr666fedrDag siden
  • The real marble machine was the friends we made along the way

    SomeIntrovertSomeIntrovertDag siden
  • Feature creep is just a normality... it will never be done.

    James ImpeyJames Impey2 dager siden
  • YOUR 🧠 YOUR INGENUITY.. 💡 YOUR AMAZING MAN! AN INSPIRATION!!! 🤙🏽🤙🏽 MAD RESPECT! Thank you for sharing with us!

    Arthur FleckArthur Fleck2 dager siden
  • Rrrrrrrreee make

    Wolf Hound bossyWolf Hound bossy2 dager siden
  • do a giveaway on the marble arms! your fans would love this, and it would e a way to get rid of them if you aren't using them- some kind of givaway/competition. i got this idea when you said "statue"

    -Arkaiid--Arkaiid-2 dager siden
  • It’s NOT Sunken Cost Fallacy. Setbacks and detours are a natural part of the path and process towards any goal. This is a turnaround, not a failure. It’s a necessity for further progression and improvement. The MMX project can’t fail, as it has no definitive parameters for success - it can only be accomplished to a higher or lesser degree in so much more or less time. Of course you should continue. You, me and all of us look forward to the next step in the story as much as the finalization of the project with a world concert tour. We love to share your enthusiasm and despair, your aspiration and frustration, your elated victories and confounded disappointments. Look at it this way: it has been, and still is, a most glorious journey so far - why stop now? It’s all a labour of love and as long as you’re happy, we’re happy.

    Linus Eklund AdolphsonLinus Eklund Adolphson2 dager siden
  • 10:36 I'm going to try to appl.. oy, wow (LOL)

    Homsan LolisanHomsan Lolisan2 dager siden
  • I'm very look forward to the success of the marble machine x. It's more hardwork to rebuild it but I will support you anyway. The melody of the old marble machine still is the favourite of mine. MMX undoubtedly will be much more better.

    Jia Ern ChongJia Ern Chong3 dager siden
  • why did you do this

    gnarly cool dudesgnarly cool dudes3 dager siden
  • Holy shit, please keep going

    Odyseusz KoskiniotisOdyseusz Koskiniotis3 dager siden
  • Although the chronological progress is missing, I would love to see the excess plywood boards side by side with their intended design in an exhibition when MMX is finally done. It'd be like another self-playing music machine museum, this time, featuring the creator in the flesh.

    Random Voice ie. Ian TanRandom Voice ie. Ian Tan3 dager siden
  • The year 2023. "We are on rebuild #37 of the MMX!"...... I think this is the strategy...It never really gets done. Only improved perpetually. In the real world this is called scope creep and has brought many a good project to its knees and onward into failure. Here in youtube land there is no such thing as scope creep or failure. Only excited supporters watching the evolution of something fascinating.

    BrianRDubBrianRDub3 dager siden
  • This is why the human mind has so many stabilizing features. Falling off .01% of cliffs, or eating .01% of the broken glass we find, is rubbish.

    momentinpassingmomentinpassing4 dager siden
  • Hahaha that sick illuminati-esque graphs comparison, love it

    Kalle JillhedenKalle Jillheden4 dager siden
  • Paste wax is also good for reducing friction on wood surfaces.

    Coxy's RailroadingCoxy's Railroading4 dager siden
  • Discovery & Analysis => Improvement & learning => Progress ^____________________________________________________I It's a complex project without a robust precedent. Iteration is the way forward.

    Coxy's RailroadingCoxy's Railroading4 dager siden
  • Hey man i remember when you came out with that video in 2016 and I loved that video then. I rediscovered it and I realized that one day this machine will be in a museum. If you need to take a break at anytime we'll understand.

    KingPatrick 12KingPatrick 124 dager siden
  • idk man i think youve entered a black hole

    DanDan4 dager siden
  • If you're worried about design flaw you can't have metal on wood friction. Might as well change now.

    hypothetical their claviclehypothetical their clavicle4 dager siden
  • this is honestly such an incredible project. making a machine that plays music isn't an easy feat and it is amazing to see you work on this project and refine it to be a music and engineering masterpiece.

    DarkhFyreDarkhFyre5 dager siden
  • Why don't you add another marblegate per channel and reduce the gear ratio, that will give each marble double the time to get settled in the marblegate. You'll have to slim down the design tho to keep the width of the original design

    samilisamili5 dager siden
  • Maybe you could try „Silbergleit“ instead of Graphite Powder. Its more like a paste. I‘m really amezed every time when I‘m using it how much it reduces friction. www.silbergleit.de/

    Marco RooseMarco Roose5 dager siden
  • "I'm rebuilding the Marble Machine X!" Germans: 24:49

    DaskutDaskut5 dager siden
  • This is *marbelous*

    Pixel The IncrediboxerPixel The Incrediboxer5 dager siden
  • Martin- I've missed quite a few episodes. But, I had a thought after your Captain Context vid: Are you treating the wooden parts to reduce the impact of humidity? A couple of decades ago, we use to make our robot chassis from plywood. We did our work in Ohio but the competition was at EPCOT in Florida. To avoid the plywood swelling from absorbing water due to the high humidity, we painted the chassis with several coats. Is there a coating on your plywood parts? Maybe it won't be an issue with your smaller parts.

    Joe BalintJoe Balint5 dager siden
  • You need to link up with Adam Savage

    lexdimond1lexdimond15 dager siden
  • This calls for an intervention. Somebody get him out of the shed? Feels like current circumstances take a heavy toll on artists. Nothing wrong with focusing on details but this turns more and more into an unhealthy obsession - called perfecting yourself to death. It's not worth going insane over this.

    Benjamin StadlerBenjamin Stadler6 dager siden
  • If it were not for this kind of ambition and determination the world would never have the light bulb, the automobile, or the airplane. Keep up the good work.

    KWAKWA6 dager siden
  • I feel sorry for those ones who are making the 3D model of MMX. ^^'

    Hadley SiqueiraHadley Siqueira6 dager siden
  • when i hear brutal, i think of sledgehammers.

    PurpleGuy2779PurpleGuy27796 dager siden
  • Someday you'll need some magnetic polarized balls repelling to each other to avoid some noise .. or mechanism .. try adding alternated magnet binaries .. if they repels each other there is no reasonable motives to the marble to get stocked .. cause it will flow by magnet repulsion almoust for about forever..

    Evan StuntEvan Stunt6 dager siden
  • Martin, why is it that in many of your videos the sound is sometimes out of phase and a moment later (next edit step) back in phase again?

    ronroozronrooz6 dager siden
  • Bruh

    UraneumUraneum6 dager siden
  • Why? YT-Money for this "never ending story"!

    Baron MünchhausenBaron Münchhausen6 dager siden
  • Piano Technician here, I would advise against using Graphite Powder. In pianos it is useful for the short term, but eventually it gums up. Some "technicians" use graphite so much that it ends up everywhere, and those parts need to be cleaned or replaced because the friction becomes unmanageable. Instead I would recommend using Teflon powder, very sparingly.

    Anson OldsAnson Olds6 dager siden
  • An alternative to graphite is High-Density Polyethylene (HDPE) . It's like a low-friction plastic material that should be pretty easy to machine.

    Abe DillonAbe Dillon6 dager siden
  • At some point, you gotta lock in the design (flaws and all) and push future improvements to MMX 2.0 After the world tour, you'll have money for all sorts of fun tools.

    Abe DillonAbe Dillon6 dager siden
  • I think your math is off. If you do something 100 times with a 99% success rate, than you have 0.99^100 = 0.366 chance of it working. Obviously not good enough, but that's still not 100% chance of one failure. A 99.99% success rate 3600 times is 69.76%. Increasing success rate by a single nine gives you 96.46%! If you want to play the machine ten times a day with a >95% success rate (less than one failure a month), you need each individual operation to have a 99.9999% success rate. Which is probably beyond standard engineering. NASA quotes figures like 99.74% success rates for engines. Have you considered finding ways to recover gracefully from a failure?

    Willaby UbertonWillaby Uberton6 dager siden
  • me: doesn't watch wintergatan for a few weeks, come back. martin: I've replaced half of the machine. Wow what an improvement. The lack of noise on that runthrough :o it's beautiful

    EthanEthan6 dager siden
  • He is not crazy, just devoted. I support you Martin!

    MantraHerbInchSinMantraHerbInchSin6 dager siden
  • yeah... lets start all over again.... at this point this is so stupid

    Martin A.Martin A.6 dager siden
  • I changed my mind:"never" - period.

    Jörg JohowJörg Johow6 dager siden
  • you have the coolest job ever.. if you can call it that. incredible.

    Carson KendallCarson Kendall6 dager siden
  • 15:38 Good spot, Martin!

    Somebody_ElseSomebody_Else6 dager siden
  • I hear your ‘feels’ 100% :o) I ran the same race car 4x4 from 1993 to 2020 and it got changed many times. Around 2011 I took an angle grinder to the back and was cutting out redundant brackets from 1993. It was bad/good feeling. It was waaay better for it. *At the moment I am making a Mamod steam car into a Gscale rail car. I will have a small box of prototype parts that each took hours to make. :O

    teamidristeamidris6 dager siden
  • @wintergatan, Auction off your spare parts as souvenirs.

    LangyXLangyX6 dager siden
  • Not gonna lie. I don’t care about any sort of reason. I’m not gonna stick around for someone to rebuild the same thing over and over and over and over again. Been here for years now. Watching you do this so many times is just monumentally disappointing. Keep screwing yourself, the people who help you, and your fans. Just finish the machine dude. Probability and what actually will happen can be two entirely different things. But oh well. Just milk a Patreon for years with no finished product.

    YourResidentRedlegYourResidentRedleg6 dager siden
  • 9146 X 5 = 45,730

    Frank WellsFrank Wells6 dager siden
  • I Can hear the cad team screaming

    Jonas PihlJonas Pihl6 dager siden
  • "All my friends have at least one friend like that." Hmmm... checks out.

    Jamie KawabataJamie Kawabata6 dager siden
  • You build it, man! noworld.info/video/video/y6uoftaCo62s3NE.html

    wilson langeaniwilson langeani6 dager siden
  • This is a prime example of why I unsubscribed from this channel. What will you redesign next? You can spend the rest of your life on continuous improvements. I can see it now Episode #507 - Marble Divider Version 8

    Ro PaulRo Paul7 dager siden
  • I wish I was this brilliant.

    Chuck DChuck D7 dager siden
  • I think it would be better to design the MMX to be serviceable, to have easy to replace parts and ways to recover from failure quickly

    Rafael PernilRafael Pernil7 dager siden
  • I am not sure if you want to get your machine complete. Wth?

    Niko ShropshireNiko Shropshire7 dager siden
  • Well your probability math is a bit poor there but okay, u can't really say u have a 99% stability rate based on 100 marbles, that is not a dynamic probability. What you are looking for is stability, meaning a 99.9% probability for each marble to go through the system successfully, if after this you can start calculating using the probability of instance 1, and put the number of attempts as a power of. Probability of a marble stopping within 3584 time(s) at 99.9% probability = 0.9993584 = 0.027714675751556 = 2.77% So at 99.9% you'd actually have a 2.77% failure rate for each time you played the song, that is more than acceptable.

    Skillfully ExecutedSkillfully Executed7 dager siden
  • 25:43 "I know my friends have at least one friend like that" That one cracked me up :D

    MC FalkensteinMC Falkenstein7 dager siden
  • 4:35 Hey guys, ChrisFix here

    Diário de um casal vikingDiário de um casal viking7 dager siden
  • Lolz that graph about the local max is hilarious

    CharlieCharlie7 dager siden
  • Your transparency is so refreshing Martin. Been a fan for quite a while and love how much detail you give all us fans. Cheers and Stay Safe.

    CharlieCharlie7 dager siden
  • Martin Don't you dare quit on this! You can get it to work I know you can do it!!!!

    nursefuzzywuzzynursefuzzywuzzy7 dager siden
  • You should make a "Loctite usage" counter next video of assembly lol xD

    MeMuXMeMuX7 dager siden
  • I wonder if we'll get a remake of the marble machine song on the new marble machine i really hope so :3

    AlexTheFluffyBoiAlexTheFluffyBoi7 dager siden
  • Service with a smile

    Pete HydePete Hyde7 dager siden
  • What program do you use for your cnc router?

    Michael NioMichael Nio7 dager siden
  • I hope I can see my name next time. QAQ

    風見隼人風見隼人7 dager siden
  • I have followed your progress in making this masterpiece. I'm very inspired! But at this point it looks like you are too emotional to do this brutal angle grinder. If you discuss this first on NOworld before act, I will advise you to make an MMX version, finish your work in stages, don't destroy what you have previously made, make a new one that is better without destroying the old one. nothing is perfect, perfect is respecting imperfection But I respect your decision. Just don't get discouraged Martin. I hope the best for you!

    Candra ShalahuddinCandra Shalahuddin7 dager siden
  • As a Software Developer I can really relate to the complexity and sometimes to the necessety to redisgn things...

    SimorenariumSimorenarium7 dager siden
  • 24:49 Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein!

    HackdIluminattihaterHackdIluminattihater7 dager siden
  • martin the 371 thousand people that watched this video are the real supporters

    Red DragonRed Dragon7 dager siden
  • In other words, songs for the tour are not ready, building life in France is cozy and COVID allows to postpone completition undefinetey

    G erman C arrascoG erman C arrasco7 dager siden
  • So this is what I'm wondering... Isn't the likelihood of a master musician missing a note greater than 0.00001%? And isn't the likelihood of a string failing on a guitar greater as well? It's starting to feel like you're chasing precision that might actually be unachievable. The Lego company has some of the most accurate and precise manufacturing of any factory in the world, and 18 out of 1 000 000 pieces are faulty. That's 0.0018%, that's a lower precision than you are aiming for with the MMX. You are building a machine at least partially by hand with the goal of it having higher precision than some of the most sophisticated machines in the world. I'm worried that your unwillingness to compromise could make the completion of the MMX impossible. I admire the dedication, but this is the first time watching these videos that I've truly felt that you might be aiming towards the unachievable.

    NaiOniNaiOni7 dager siden
  • As a comparison, how did the original marble machine fare stability-wise? I know a lot of marbles dropped to the floor, as can be seen in the video, but how much work was it to get one song out of the machine?

    TeddTedd7 dager siden
  • No one..... German Engineering: Lets make a band using marbles

    Tausif aliTausif ali7 dager siden
  • classic to steampunk

    KoaweiKoawei7 dager siden
  • With the graph Martin I just got to say I completely support you, but as a machinist I know that if you are dealing with anything mechanical you are going to have failures. Nothing will be perfect you can get close but nothing in this world is perfect.

    Daniel BrendemuehlDaniel Brendemuehl7 dager siden
  • What you described is 6 sigma standard there are training books to reach that standard in the engineering process. Most automotive industries follow it

    chatparesseuxchatparesseux7 dager siden
  • One of the most dedicated individuals I have never met but the most intriguing single person I've watched on youtube or anywhere. I've watched your progress from day one on the last build and now this new one. What a journey. I could never follow in your ambition footsteps. I envy you sir. And GL on completion. And god damnit you better complete this!

    Ev3rM0r3Ev3rM0r37 dager siden
  • Welcome to the 5 9's club!

    ForgeForge8 dager siden
  • 7:58 If you were going to bore me, I wouldn't be watching you. Keep going, you're doing great.

    Rai KanegasiRai Kanegasi8 dager siden
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