Maho CNC Conversion: THE MOVIE!!

3. feb.. 2021
542 420 Ganger

Get that popcorn ready because It's finally here!
The Maho milling machine conversion all the kids are talking about!
Watch the whole thing... or... skip to the section you're interested in:
00:00 video starts here
00:51 video REALLY starts here
02:31 axis conversion overview
08:20 converted performance (rapids & speeds)
10:56 machine health & general inspection (geometric)
16:08 new CNC control add-ons
17:40 3-axis MPG
19:18 electronic tool setter
21:13 control/electrical cabinet (drives, VFD, hydraulics, oiler, relays, etc.)
23:40 servo drives wiring & I/O
24:45 AC Servos & Drives (Leadshine)
26:16 EtherCAT AC servo pricing & kits
27:22 Element-CNC industrial control PC
27:36 KINGSTAR realtime motion control
30:32 Open-Loop vs Closed-Loop for dummies, by dummies
34:34 Servo Tuning for dummies, by dummies
48:00 the end?
Check out RotarySMP's channel here:
Music used in this video:
Bolereando - Quincas Moreira

  • Please do a gas spring video that would be amazing.

    Man PuttyMan Putty4 timer siden
  • I still fondly remember the FANUC servo-tuning "blip" sound from my days working on CNC machines. Also, I now happily spend my days no longer working on CNC machines.

    Spencer CallahanSpencer Callahan12 timer siden
  • Does she still speak with a German accent?

    MAKGAMAKGA13 timer siden
  • Super Awesomeness again, as Always!!

    Daniel LopezDaniel Lopez16 timer siden
  • I'd buy the Maho OnlyFans

    JustinJustin18 timer siden
  • !

    diggerman19diggerman1918 timer siden
  • Might want to add some movement locking switches or some sort of "dead-man" type switch to the MPG cube. I'm sure it's mostly fine, but I'd be worried if any freak vibrations on the table causing an MPG to move when it shouldn't. Or worse; something goes wrong and the cube is knocked off of the table, it hits the floor, the mpgs spin and send all the axes in random directions, your work is ruined, your tool explodes, the spindle is slammed into your vice and bends, and worse; you have to bring your router back while you spend a few months fixing the Maho.

    Grey PaladinGrey Paladin20 timer siden
  • The difference in surface finish is most likley because one of the sides is climb milling (nice side) and The other side is conventional milling. I suspect it wont go away compleatly, unfortuneatly.

    Robin ForslundRobin ForslundDag siden
  • Industrial electrician sees this and is beyond extremely impressed. Same guy looks at that panel and is utterly horrified! Get it sorted out man! Great channel definitely subscribing, just promise never to show me in there again!

    Calum MackayCalum MackayDag siden
  • 19:00 So are you going to add haptic feedback for the machine loads? Then it would really feel like manual jogging...

    Roger BarraudRoger BarraudDag siden
  • Tram (apparently) is the parallelism within the x-axis. But NOD is the parallelism within the y-axis.

    TrumanHWTrumanHWDag siden
  • From start to finish, how long did it take to make this video?

    AttractspsychosAttractspsychosDag siden
  • That ballnut replacement @5:18... Is it me or the crunchy sound also matches up with the metal wire harness grinding against the plastic tube rings... There is also a solid ground groove from the contact grind in the plastic tube...

    MihkelMihkelDag siden
  • I would never think to skip around on your videos.

    AttractspsychosAttractspsychosDag siden
  • Man the strange ticking you were hearing at the start of the video were the two pipes sliding one over the other, around 5:25, look right

    SimoX04_ YTSimoX04_ YTDag siden
  • Very, VERY informative! Thanks TOT for having taken what is surely a TON of time to put this all together.

    Ken RussKen RussDag siden
  • Tony, you had me chuckling all through this. Keep up the humor, it makes learning about machining so enjoyable. Cheers!

    CastloaderCastloaderDag siden
  • I think that the crunching noise on the Y axis ball screw nut is caused by a misalignment, it makes that sound only when the bearing block is going towards the machine, that causes to bend even more and to destroy the ball screw nut

    Eragon PowerEragon Power2 dager siden
  • You’ve gotta be careful when working with dehydrated steel. A mate of mine didn’t have his coolant mix right and the piece expanded by 20x, he hasn’t been the same since

    CheeseGuru101CheeseGuru1012 dager siden
  • That machine sounds as bad as I feel

    Systems PlanetSystems Planet2 dager siden
  • Why a Mach based controller and not a commercial controller and software?

    JDJD2 dager siden
  • "...but it can become a rabbit hole if you keep thinkin' you could just get a little bit better." Truer words never spoken!

    David MarcusDavid Marcus2 dager siden
  • 11:35 had me in a fit of laughter hahahaha

    yeah nah yeahyeah nah yeah3 dager siden
    • Scratch that the whole lot did hahaha

      yeah nah yeahyeah nah yeah3 dager siden
  • This Old Tony relly blows my mind! Where are you based out of?

    Way's CoatingsWay's Coatings3 dager siden
    • Just a heads up I was a machine builder for American Broach and built alot fof the CNC Broach Sharpeners and I might have some insight for your ball screw problems too. We need to Colab !!

      Way's CoatingsWay's Coatings3 dager siden
  • Tony, I have been enjoying your various machine projects. And do a nice job explaining/how-do. This might be the first time I popped 😳 a comment. If you're interested, for some good add on's to automate, for your machinery. Have you ever heard of Direct Automation 🤔. Check out this company. One day, we should chat together.

    Keith MonarchKeith Monarch3 dager siden
  • What did i just watch I'm sure it was some guy talking about a big green machine that does some sort of wizardry with metal

    Gary StewartGary Stewart3 dager siden
  • I love me some long format Tony.

    Tony_in_PATony_in_PA3 dager siden
  • Don't worry Tony. I watched the whole video. I even rewatched some of it because i kept getting distracted.

    CenturionPlaysCenturionPlays3 dager siden
  • Hiya

    William T. MusilWilliam T. Musil3 dager siden
  • Don't worry about dove tail ways unless you have to hold .001 tolerances I operated a nc bridge port in the 70s with dove tail ways. no big deal Since then I operated and maintained 14 different cnc's . 13 had box ways, and I could hold .00005 tolerance on grade 2 titanium on a Takasawa lathe . We had Mazak mills and Lathes and Yams too.The only machine with ball ways was a Swedish drill press with 54 x 72 in travel. Are you Canadian because you work in metric? I still have not changed over. The ball screw clicking could be that you do not have double ball nuts face to face preloaded apart. This eliminates any backlash and some ball nuts takes one directional load only. The ball screws were anchored at each end with double angle contact bearings . to keep the screw from flexing. We would take 2in thick 304l stainless plate clamp it on two inche copper parallels so it would not slip also to allow for the chips to clear the cut.Chips and heat are your enemy! Drill a 1in hole thru the plate and use a 1 dia x 2.25 in corncob end mill all the way thru the plate . 200 rpm and 2in of feed full depth to make this plate into a doughnut shape. Did this for 39 years. Corn cob cutters are the best,1st rule of milling always climb cut, 2nd rule of milling always climb cut, 3rd rule of milling never conventional cut Use double ball nuts face to face preloaded and double angle contact bearings at both ends of lead screw. Have a good day.

    Greg RanboGreg Ranbo3 dager siden
  • Where did you get those gas shocks? Need a pair for my 100 year old mill. The table weighs around 500 lbs at least. Needs help going up. Have to buy a 2hp motor just to move it. Got a car steering wheel on it now. The base the table rides on is huge. The table 32inch and can move 38 inch left or right because of the huge base it's on. And no the ways aren't over tightened.

    John ScottJohn Scott4 dager siden
  • connector is a dbhd44. better than a db13w3 i guess.

    RedFathomRedFathom4 dager siden
  • The cause of the .0001 drop is what is causing your Y axis to chew up.

    caphenningcaphenning5 dager siden
  • Hey Tony, what camera or cameras do you use to record your videos?

    Paul KepnerPaul Kepner5 dager siden
  • Hey Tony, it almost looks like the y-axis crunch sound is being caused by those two hoses rubbing together! Just a thought!

    Aaron WestbrookAaron Westbrook5 dager siden
  • Good job you can make an Chuck

    مصطفى اللجيمصطفى اللجي6 dager siden
  • Hi Old Tony, when you cutting a cycle cw the mill behaves like conversational milling because the left side cuts more material, and when cut a cycle ccw the mill is behave like climb milling because the right side cuts more material, I thing this is the reason you see different finish in the s type groove

    Drimaropoylos IoannisDrimaropoylos Ioannis6 dager siden
  • @ThisOldTony I'm not sure if you were joking, but at 5:23 you can see there is a tube rubbing against another in the back, making the crunching sounds you mentioned

    Eduardo RojasEduardo Rojas6 dager siden
  • love this.

    delmar93delmar937 dager siden
  • While printing cases for the buttons you could create embossed names/descriptions for the buttons on the 3D model :)

    TheDarmachTheDarmach8 dager siden
  • I watched this in two sittings...

    Fugly JoeFugly Joe8 dager siden
  • Can't help but notice those Chinese Leadshine ELP-750 Ethercat drives are already gone or hard to get.

    Captain MotherCaptain Mother8 dager siden
    • It's hard to tell with Chinese knock-off EtherCat stuff...I've heard good things (cheap) and horror stories (had to replace after a few months, weird firmware bugs, motor bearing failures etc.). I'm sure Tony will tell us if it's breaking down over time. It's always suspicious when you see this stuff being hawked on eBay, AliExpress, etc. Hopefully it will all work great for him. Thanks for nice video!!

      John AndersonJohn Anderson7 dager siden
  • Weren't you having issues with the y axis essentially right after you got it? Could there be a underlying issue with the u axis that's causing the ball nut to break?

    David WellsDavid Wells8 dager siden
  • Honestly Tony, hearing you find your voice, grow more comfortable in your videos, and learning so much from you, has been awesome. :D

    RazielTheBooRazielTheBoo8 dager siden
  • Fantastic video. A bit more on servos.. Not all of them have batteries. The reason that servo has a battery is because it has an absolute encoder (this is how it can "remember" its position through a powercycle.) Some servos, like Allen-Bradley servos, use an incremental encoder but rely on the controller to maintain reference. In the machinery I work with on a daily basis, German paper converting equipment, there are many servo-driven elements. Since they're using incremental encoders, we have reference sensors on particular parts of the machine that the controller uses to "home" an axis. I've recently started watching your videos regularly and I'm really impressed with the amount of information you're relaying to the audience. I've learned a ton from you and I really appreciate the content. I've decided it's time to get a mill myself and stop using the ones at work for home projects. Originally, I wanted to get a CNC mill but the more I watch your videos and a few others on NOworld, I think I'd be better off getting a manual mill and adding CNC capability. This video may very well have catalyzed that idea. Thanks again for the great information and the laughs!

    Brett SpillmanBrett Spillman8 dager siden
  • those are tapered gibs your y axis has there those can tighten up under motion if they have some play. now they should have either one screw pushing on either side which is a system that pretty much eliminates play in the gib but most of the time, for ease of use, they have one screw that fits into a groove to push the gib in and out ant if some part of that is worn the gib has some play to tighten up under load and screw up a ball screw in one way only

    Demian MarcathDemian Marcath8 dager siden
    • gliding ways can also work in rapid back and forth motion pretty well if they're lubricated enough, which they likely are in this case. still, scraping the ways can go a long way in keeping the oil on the ways under rapid motion. don't worry about the geometry, it should be finde the way it is and just a few crossing scrapes every half an inch is enough for those chonky guideways

      Demian MarcathDemian Marcath8 dager siden
  • Tony, do you know if your motion control system is driving those servo drives with step/direction or in torque mode with 0-10v inputs for speed and torque?

    Hugh FraterHugh Frater9 dager siden
  • Those leadshine servos are tiny - amazing. I've a ton of experience with the Lichuan ones, they're fantastic value, I think we pay around $250 for a 750w drive and motor package.

    Hugh FraterHugh Frater9 dager siden
  • 11:35 When you got to tell your folks some bad news.

    ckid slagckid slag9 dager siden
  • Question, has MAHO called and asked for their machine back? :)

    Stephen FerrellStephen Ferrell9 dager siden
  • 5:21, If you pay close attention, you will see the sleaf ripple against the hydraulic-line... just saying

    BullofMagTime 3DBullofMagTime 3D9 dager siden
  • Did I just watch a 48 minutes long video about some cnc machine?

    KillerkoUKKillerkoUK9 dager siden
  • Hey Tonny! Isn't that weird sound in 5:37 a sound of a steel thingy rubbing on white plastic thingy?

    crazzo PLcrazzo PL10 dager siden
  • My mechanic training is nearly a decade old, I am not good at electrics and useless with electronics, yet I've enjoyed the whole thing (though my two braincells went "nope!" for the electronic part) !

    desert_jindesert_jin10 dager siden
  • I sure miss This Old Tony. Nice that the new CNC guy kept the same hands and voice, though....

    dcw56dcw5610 dager siden
  • THIS OLD IS THIS OLD TONY I FELL IN 🖤 WITH! welcome back misterMR

    i992dci992dc10 dager siden
  • do you want your conduit wire opening to fill with chips? Cover them up....

    Joe DonohueJoe Donohue10 dager siden
  • So who are the two others that made it to the end?(; I love these longer videos there just so packed right to the tippy top with information. And it’s the good stuff too, not like the crap you see on the news.

    Keith’s GarageKeith’s Garage11 dager siden
  • That was incredible Tony. I have no idea what you're talking about and yet I enjoyed every minute. I have attempted to watch "gone with the wind" (oh Ashley, oh Ashley) a couple of times but given up before the end! Not with this video! I am the 4th person to watch it all. I even think I could fool someone into thinking I know the difference between savoury and fruit loops! Thank you for making me a better person 💝😘

    Tim PiggottTim Piggott11 dager siden
  • This old Tony. Try an Igus ball screw instead. No crunch and cheap and tough

    Pete DiCapuaPete DiCapua11 dager siden
  • Maho, Maho man, i'd like to be a Maho man. I guess the guy in leather was German?

    stewartfryestewartfrye11 dager siden
  • WOW, I'm with Ron Covell, , , ALL IN ONE BREATH, Amazing.

    Tomoko's EnterprizeTomoko's Enterprize11 dager siden
  • 5:40 Do you think that ah perhaps the crunch sound is coming from those two ribbed pipes rubbing together in the background?

    CameronCameron12 dager siden
  • Epic videos on this conversion Tony! So, if you here back at square one, would you do it again? (Ignoring all the lovely content you've created at the same time) Is buying an old CNC Bridgeport a better starting place?

    Richard MarkhamRichard Markham12 dager siden
    • right now? no. in a few years? prolly. 😁

      This Old TonyThis Old Tony11 dager siden
  • "Green Mile", love it!

    Ricks RoadiesRicks Roadies12 dager siden
  • "Why do I watch these videos? I HATE machining!!" Also me- hey look a new TOT video.

    Garrett CarlsonGarrett Carlson12 dager siden
  • Personally, I'd change out the gravel in the " Y" ballscrew. I tend to like smooth river pebbles over crushed granite.

    Casey RomanCasey Roman12 dager siden
  • Boy those overhead shots are hard on the vertigo!

    Logan M P ELogan M P E12 dager siden
  • I don't know anything about machining, milling, cnc, turning what have you at all. Barely have a concept of what those terms even mean. I guess its either Tony's style of presentation or me being a masochist that not only had me sitting through the entire video but even put my automatic porn downloader on pause for 48 mins.

    Tom JacobsTom Jacobs12 dager siden
  • A 48 minute video is not long. There is some idiot on YT doing 90 minute videos and not even apologizing, rediculous! Great video Tony as always! ATB, Robin

    ROBRENZROBRENZ12 dager siden
    • 90 minutes?! the nerve of some people! 😉😘

      This Old TonyThis Old Tony12 dager siden
  • The color is RAL6011.

    NeodimiumNeodimium12 dager siden
  • The paper trick is still the best for 3D printing! Automatic bed leveling is kinda meh.

    Kurt StedmanKurt Stedman13 dager siden
  • A bit of pointless trivia here: The "RAL" in all the color codes (like RAL6011) is also German for "Reichs-Ausschuss für Lieferbedingungen", which loosely translates to "Imperial Committee on Production Standards". It goes back to mid-1920s Germany.

    Bottle Of FriesBottle Of Fries13 dager siden
  • The wiring of the control box is a piece of art!!! I liked GG's comment too!! Same answer I gave my bride this Saturday when I took her a long to pick up a LeBlond 17 and a Ru-Fu mill that camewith power X & DRO for x-y-z,,,Retirement Dear,,,,(Wife) But you retired 6 years,,,when are Really Going to Retire

    Bears Rod ShopBears Rod Shop13 dager siden
  • lol, I guess more than three of us stuck it out. I never got to work on CNC lathes, my boss's father was an expert at the factory across the road though (always envied him a little for that), though they were from a different era. That switchboard... that's the sort of thing I could see myself ripping out and replacing with something beautiful to look at. Great video, I've been meaning to come back here for a long while but YT has been a little messed up for me after the one of many reformat's.

    owl3764owl376413 dager siden
  • 24:11 that scared the shit out of me, i heard it and immediately looked around wondering what was going on then got up to run to my printer to see if it just decided to die on me

    Ryan BoxRyan Box13 dager siden
  • In my research 9.5/10 dentist recommend watching the whole video

    Hopingforthebest expectingtheworstHopingforthebest expectingtheworst13 dager siden
  • this is swaggersouls, you cant tell me its not lol

    Sir SloppyVidsSir SloppyVids13 dager siden
  • hey This Old Tony you should label the new buttons on the Maho with an R for release and a R for retract @16:32 that wat you can tell them apart.

    Daryl RinehartDaryl Rinehart13 dager siden
  •'re almost at a million subscribers!

    Kyle MooreKyle Moore13 dager siden
  • You know I was watching this as I was brushing my teeth 😂

    Demonyah FergusonDemonyah Ferguson14 dager siden
  • Smooth Movie Ex-Lax. Great information on how to get the drives tuned. It lets people know what they may be getting into if they want to try something like this at Home. Keep up the good work.

    DASLAB68DASLAB6814 dager siden
  • So who are the other 2 of you that reached the end?

    zvxcvxczzvxcvxcz14 dager siden
  • I have no idea what you talk about, what everything does that you have but I like it. I also have found a funnier way to watch your vids - put sea shanties on another tab and let them play.

    Rokas ŠimkūnasRokas Šimkūnas14 dager siden
  • Haha, that power cabinet needs some work my friend, you can get better quality power supplies that aren't enormous o.o (ex; Cosel PCA series, Meanwell EPS/EPP series) Oh man, cheap pvc insulation on them copper wires.. I'd have used silicone R/C wire instead, more heat resistant :O Servo motors just have a encoder for replying back the actual movement, although on your Z axis you have a belt.. those can break or move around. I suppose the same thing could happen with a coupler. Trinamic makes some great stepper drivers that can perform microsteps, as well as detect excessive friction by measuring inductance. After watching this for awhile, I think you should pull a Ave, and just buy the smallest CNC Haas with the auto probe tools. :P

    RaidenRaiden14 dager siden
  • Tony, you know that 'crunching' sound on the Y axis is actually the cable running against the ribbed cable sleeve like a guiro

    Lewis RockliffeLewis Rockliffe14 dager siden
  • Auto tune on most Allen Bradley servos cause them to buzz trying to get perfect position. Usually need to turn it down a bit to stop the noise. Few grand for that system is cheap compared to that for just one motor.

    Mike MeMike Me14 dager siden
  • On camera it looks like the corrugated tube makes the crunchy ball nut noise as it rubs across the hydraulic pipe??

    Real Earth Concrete Real Earth ConcreteReal Earth Concrete Real Earth Concrete14 dager siden
  • 28:55 Impossible, the hands have a foot.

    Indigenous.rabbitIndigenous.rabbit14 dager siden
  • And thank you for uploadin’

    RandomRonRandomRon14 dager siden
  • I don't even notice the robot orchestra coming from the 20 some odd steppers in my apartment. But yea, servos would be sweet.

    Nitro ZeusNitro Zeus14 dager siden
  • looking forward to the Maho Cam Girl feed...

    I WycratiusI Wycratius14 dager siden
  • Dennis Van Hoof is a CNC guy that recently made a violin with a CNC machine. Just leaving this here for ToT since it might interest him.

    commenty commentercommenty commenter14 dager siden
  • This Old Tony channel: The only videos on youtube I rewind, not fast forward.

    Vladimír PodlešákVladimír Podlešák14 dager siden
  • Hi Tony, I work for the company that invented KingStar. I work at a technical level. I like you video and I might be able to clear up some stuff about the hardware. KingStar runs on so many different PCs. The real trick is the NIC. If you want to chat reply to this and we can figure out a way to share emails. Your videos are great!! -Matt

    Matt EMatt E14 dager siden
  • As a dentist, I definately recommend this video...

    Güntaç GümüşGüntaç Gümüş15 dager siden
  • Is that clicky ball screw high in the centre mount. If all 3 points aren't inline, it's going to jam when it gets to the end.

    SidneyCritic ComedyHoundSidneyCritic ComedyHound15 dager siden
  • Oh, I love your sense of humor!😀

    Александр ИвановАлександр Иванов15 dager siden
  • Well that started off on a very dark note.

    bbrown6799bbrown679915 dager siden
  • Dude this was awesome, great work 👍

    shaneshane15 dager siden